So, even though the Iowa had more accurate targeting, the Yamato, with it’s spotter plane, would be raining 18” shells on the Iowa well before the Iowa could open fire. However, Yamato had poor seams between her upper and lower armor belts, which allowed water to enter when she was torpedoed by U.S. aircraft off Okinawa. USS Iowa vs IJN Yamato *REMADE* Report. Torpedos may have been a weak spot just like on Iowas – but Iowa did not carry many of those. While both ships enjoyed certain advantages over each other, those advantages are so slender that luck would probably play as decisive role as firepower and armor. best. La classe Iowa est une série de cuirassés construits pour l’US Navy durant la Seconde Guerre mondiale comportant quatre unités (six commandées initialement). all ships consider each other enemies and want to be the only one sailing. Yamato seemingly had the edge here, with 16 inches of belt armor to Iowa’s 12 inches. GENERAL COMMENTS: In the battle of the heavyweights, Iowa edges Yamato, largely because of her awesome fire-control. Among the battleships he compares are Yamato and Iowa, based on five criteria: guns, armor, underwater protection, fire control and “tactical factors” such as speed and damage control. Carriers, particularly the Essex long hull class, were the new capital ship for all intents and considerations. Of the seven battleships Parshall analyzed, Yamato and Iowa had the best underwater armor. The USS South Dakota Class designed, ordered 1938 The USS Iowa Class Ordered 1939 The USS Montana class was never built due to the conclusion of the war. Yamato and Iowa wouldn’t have stood turret-to-turret in an arena like a pair of heavyweight boxers. View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Spectacular Member Join Date May 2014 Posts 121. And after a while, odds are, they probably will.”. “This was a much better performance than other contemporary systems,” he continues, “and gave U.S. battleships a major tactical advantage, in that they could both shoot and maneuver, whereas their opponents could only do one or the other.”. But what if they had, in a cataclysmic clash of seagoing titans? ..but when I was a kid, it wasn’t about whether a ship was “better” than another. In the end, a Yamato versus Iowa duel might have been a fascinating but futile curiosity. The piece of armor tested by the navy is now on display at the Washington Navy Yard. williamcarter1993. But when it comes to damage control, America was far ahead of Japan and other nations. This was the thickest armor ever made for a warship and it was speculated that the Yamato’s armor was impervious to the 16-inch shells of American battleships. She bombarded shore targets aplenty, but never had the chance to engage an enemy battleship. Who is the victor? Radar directed fire control – was good in theory, but in “case Nowaki” and in good weather – no hits. Your email address will not be published. That doesn't account for the MASSIVE "pagoda" tower of the Yamato, … While designers considered making the Montana class faster, they decided that firepower and armor were more important. Instead four units of the class would have been built with two stationed on each coast. While the British battleships couldn’t score a killing blow on the Bismarck, they did reduce the Bismarck to an inoperable wreck that was finally scuttled by her crew to prevent capture. at the Dahlgren test facility, ‘point blank’ for a 16″ gun was ~1000 meters .. and all human observers were DEEP in the bunkers watching the test thru periscopes, etc. The Iowa-class and Yamato-class battleships were the ultimate development of the battleship for the United States and the Empire of Japan. After watching too much Kantai Collection comes the battle the military historians dream about, but which never happened. It would have been the ultimate duel of dreadnoughts. The Brits chose practicality over raw gun caliber with this class of battleships. Iowa could sail at 33 knots to Yamato’s 27, which would confer some advantage in opening or closing range. Why is a battleships’s underwater armor important? And this is happening. Légendes navales : U.S.S. Battleship Dream Battle: Japan's 65,000 Ton Yamato vs. America's Iowa-Class (Who Wins?) In reality, the two ships never met in battle. Her armor layout isn’t the most efficient, but she has a lot of armor, so it doesn’t really matter.”. The Iowa-class ships were smaller but well balanced at 52,000 tons with a heavy battery of nine 16-inch guns. Bismarck gets wrecked it is pretty much objectively worse than the other two in almost every respect. Both the IJN Yamato and Musashi were sunk in combat but there was a third vessel. Here Parshall lumps together several factors, such as speed and damage control. In the other corner, Iowa, at 45,000 tons the pride of America's World War II battleship fleet. There was to be 5 Montana ships, not 4. But optics were susceptible to bad weather and smoke. Of course, this scenario is hypothetical, the province of armchair admirals and war gamers. Log in or sign up to leave a comment Log In Sign Up. While both ships enjoyed certain advantages over each other, those advantages are so slender that luck would probably play as decisive role as firepower and armor. It would have been the ultimate battle on the high seas: Yamato vs. Iowa. But if Yamato gets lucky and gets in the first hit or two, and they’re doozies, it could very easily be game over for Iowa.”, (Recommended: The 5 Most Deadly Battleships). “Iowa’s fire control is better. Otherwise, great article, and fun read. Also keep in mind, that these test shells were inert, missing the 750 lbs of high explosive that would normally be found inside them. Chopper Greg. “In a 1945 test, an American battleship (the North Carolina) was able to maintain a constant [fire control] solution even when performing back to back high-speed 450-degree turns, followed by back-to-back 100-degree turns,” Parshall writes. The larger context of the battle—the U.S. Navy being forced to take on the German Navy—would have had serious repercussions for the Pacific theater. Yamato’s 18.1-inch guns were the largest ever mounted on a warship. level 1. 479. Sort by . Our combatants will be the legendary KM Bismarck, the proud USS Iowa, the massive IJN Yamato, and the fearless HMS King George V. Load main batteries. In one corner, Japan’s Yamato, weighing in at 65,000 tons, the biggest battleship in history. Humans.....read my words! Let me first say, that I love the Iowa class battleships. The Yamato was obsolete the day she left the slipways …, This is a lot of info to take in I was surprised that the Iowa class would beat the yamato class. Marksmanship is a key consideration when trying to hit a moving target from 25 miles away, even one that is almost three football fields long. Chopper Greg . A design model of the proposed Montana-class battleships. These ships would have been too large to pass through the Panama Canal. Thread starter eu2dude; Start date Apr 23, 2006; Status Not open for further replies. “But if you throw enough shells up in the air, strange things can happen. share. This concept was exemplified during the sinking of the German battleship Bismarck by the HMS King George and HMS Rodney in 1941. 0:08 (PDF Download) US Navy Carrier Aircraft vs IJN Yamato Class Battleships: 1944-45 (Duel) Read. For the purposes of our fight, I’ve selected an imaginary patch of sea in the Indian Ocean. Battle. Standard U.S. Navy 16-Inch Gun. Battleship Beatdown: USS Iowa and New Jersey VS IJN Yamato and Musashi. Playing next. Japanese fire control radar was poor, while American fire control radar was the best in the world. Here we’ll have two small islands, each 300 feet at the highest, each 5X5 miles in size, and each twenty miles apart, arranged roughly on the … The particular piece of armor tested was the 26-inch frontal armor for one of the Shinano’s 18-inch turrets. “All optics do a very good job at determining bearing to the target, but not so good at determining range,” Parshall says. So, the combination of decent optics plus world-class radar is way better than world-class optics plus crappy radar.”. I am no expert, but let me play devils advocate; larger caliber guns = larger shells = more powder = higher exit velocity = longer range. Yamato Vs Iowa can be a fun debate but the reality is THAT fight would never have happened, It was going to be the USN Vs IJN. 6 years ago | 44 views. The Japanese vessel had 9 inches of deck armor to Iowa’s 6, and an impressive 26 inches of armor on the faces of her main gun turrets, versus just 20 inches of turret armor for Iowa. © Copyright 2021 Center for the National Interest All Rights Reserved. Well, this is Khazan. Based strictly on raw numbers, I would give the edge to Iowa based on her superior fire control. The resulting impact penetrated and ripped the armor apart. Yamato’s nine 18-inchers could throw a 3,200-pound shell out to 26 miles, while Iowa’s nine 16-inch guns could propel a 2,700-pound shell 24 miles. remade this, my other Iowa vs Yamato video kind of sucked, let me know what you think of this and and subscribe In one corner, Japan’s Yamato, weighing in at 65,000 tons, the biggest … SoDak, Yamato and Richelieu are practically in a dead heat, which is surprising on the face of it, until South Dakota's and Richelieu's very respectable fire control, and excellent protection is considered. 1/21/2019. Who would have won? Shattered Sword: The Untold Story of the Battle of Midway, The 5 Biggest Battleship Battles of All Time. Battleship Showdown: Hitler's Bismarck vs. America's Iowa-Class Battleship (Who Wins?) Nazi Germany's Battleship Bismarck vs. America's Iowa Class: Who Wins? References to specific designs, models, manufacturers, and/or modifications of ships and aircraft are used only for the purpose of historical consistency and do not assume any funding or other involvement in the project on the part of the holders of trademarks. The U.S. Navy asked the same question after World War II and decided to find out. It’s important to note that this heavy armor only covered certain parts of the Yamato, not the entire vessel. Yet the real issue was even hitting the target in the first place. Follow. Post Aug 16, 2010 #1 2010-08-16T22:56. However, the Japanese had superb optical rangefinders and night binoculars, which enabled them to surprise and decimate the U.S. Navy in night battles off Guadalcanal. The Yamato-class was built for a different era of warfare. The Iowa-class probably couldn’t sink the Yamato but its 16-inch shells would have wrecked the Yamato’s superstructure and rendered her equipment inoperable. Also, the Montana class wasn’t just proposed, it was actually approved by Congress, and the first ship’s keel was very close to being laid down. Most of the Shinano’s armor had already been built when the conversion was ordered and the U.S. Navy found some of it in storage after the war. They were cancelled in favor of the Midway-class aircraft carriers. A fully armed shell, even at a great range would wreak havoc on that armor. USS Iowa vs IJN Yamato *REMADE* Lowell Gabe. The Iowas were designed to be high-speed 32-knot battleships to act as the protection to the carrier fleet. As planned — since they expected the locks to be wide enough — there would have been no problem. Omega. Iowa vs. Yamato, the Ultimate Battleship Showdown, The MV-22 Osprey and Statistical Impropabilities. 255. williamcarter1993. But if both ships were considered to be nominally obsolete, why bother ? Go. save. Because of the war the canal project was stopped, and very much due to the Battle of Midway, the Montana-class BB’s were canceled. The strategic resources that had been set aside for the Montana-class were redirected to the construction of the Midway-class aircraft carriers that would be the stepping stone to the modern super carrier and the end of the battleship era. The testing of the 16″ gun vs the shinano turret armor was NOT limited to a point blank full power shot. The two classes never met in battle but it’s interesting to … 479. One researcher can offer an answer, or at least a very educated guess. This piece first appeared in War Is Boring here. “That’s why I say there’s a lot of luck involved here,” Parshall explained. Yamato had a displacement one-third larger than Iowa, which should confer a larger ability to absorb damage. 255. So which battleship would win? The USS Yamato (NCC-24383/NCC-71807) was a 24th century Federation Galaxy-class starship operated by Starfleet. Yamato had a displacement one-third larger than Iowa, which should confer a larger ability to absorb damage. If you look at the dimensions of the two ships, they have virtually identical length, but the Yamato has a max beam almost 6m more (39 vs 33). This sets up a nasty scenario for her: she’ll have to advance, under the full weight of an enemy vessel’s broadside, having her “T capped” the whole time, until she’s finally in effective range. The carriage the gun is sitting on is the same size as a standard rail car. The U.S. Navy realized early in the war though that these ships were obsolete before they had even been laid down and cancelled them. 4 days ago. The Iowa-class and Yamato-class battleships were the ultimate development of the battleship for the United States and the Empire of Japan. report. USS Iowa and New Jersey -VS- IJN Yamato and Musashi. In fact, Yamato was sunk during its suicide run to Okinawa on April 7, 1945, overwhelmed by waves of U.S. carrier-based torpedo bombers. The Yamato-class vessels were huge at 72,000 tons and carried nine 18-inch guns. Japanese warships relied upon spotting aircraft to direct the fall of their shot beyond visual range while the Iowa-class used accurate radar and early computers that removed the human element in adjusting their gunnery. Once you assume that, the ship with the most hits will win. The IJN Shinano was to be the final vessel of the Yamato class but she was converted to an aircraft carrier (and subsequently sunk by a submarine). Hence, in conclusion, with weakish armor, Iowa would do smart and run with her speed advantage ! However, as Parshall points out, only America could afford to build battleships with hulls and interiors constructed entirely out of tough but light Special Treatment Steel, which meant that U.S. battleships could be smaller and lighter for an equivalent amount of protection. In addition, the main deck of the Yamato sits about 0.5m higher, but the height of the 2nd upper deck (which is generally defines the size of the superstructure volume) is well over 1m higher. While this showed that a 16-inch shell could penetrate the Yamato’s armor, it’s unlikely that it would have done so at distance. The Rumor was the the second Montana class ship was to be the USS Ohio with a new 20 inch gun …. The Yamato-class vessels were huge at 72,000 tons and carried nine 18-inch guns. It would have been the ultimate duel of dreadnoughts. Ok so this isn't going to be a fully … Not surprisingly, artillery has always been ahead of armour, except in a few years in the late nineteenth century when ships were made with spurs. Here was perhaps the Iowa’s biggest advantage. Browse more videos. That was taken into consideration, when they chose the width of the ships. Ces bâtiments furent engagés dans les campagnes du Pacifique.C'est à bord de l'un d'entre eux, l'USS Missouri, que fut signée la capitulation du Japon mettant fin à la Seconde Guerre mondiale. 1; 2; 3; Next. Germany was, after all, considered the primary threat, with Japan second and Italy third. (Recommended: The 5 Biggest Battleship Battles of All Time). “World War II radar, on the flip, could give you a very good range number, but unless you had a modern set, getting a decent bearing was a real bear. Is it Time to Bring Back the Battleships? They would have been surrounded by cruisers, destroyers and subs. In 1945 the era of the battlewagon was already ending, sinking beneath the weight of swarms of aircraft. The U.S. Navy shot it point blank with a 16-inch shell. While a showdown between the Iowa-class and Yamato-class would have been impressive, the true ultimate showdown would have been between the Montana-class battleships and the Yamato-class. First Prev 2 of 3 Go to page. Your email address will not be published. Granted, that doesn’t guarantee hits, but longer range has always been an acknowledged advantage in gunnery. 18-Inch shells built for the Yamato-class battleships. yamato class battleship vs iowa class تم میں بہترین وہ شخص ھے جو قرآن سیکھے اور دوسروں کو سیکھائے By / 28 دسمبر, 2020 Iowa enjoyed a career through World War II, Korea and was even reactivated during the 1980s. Jon Parshall, historian and author of the superb Shattered Sword: The Untold Story of the Battle of Midway has pitted the top battleships of various nations against each other at Combinedfleet.com, the go-to site for information on the Imperial Japanese Navy. When I was a kid..I was absolutely obsessed with battleships. U.S. Navy photo. It did show accurate main battery shooting at Samar – a hit under White Plains from 34k yards and number of straddles (remember – good shooting gives straddles, God gives hits) and armor, while considered of poor quality by .90 was still very heavy, both belt and deck. Since they couldn't match American quantity, it was Japanese navy doctrine for each warship to be more powerful than its individual U.S. counterpart. A more powerful German Navy (or weaker Royal Navy) would have … The Nuclear shells were a much later cold war development. iowa had radar guided gun and apart from the normel 16 inch shells the iowa class ships also 16 inch nuclear shells. I agree with your predicted outcome. NOTE: The Yamato was outfitted slightly differently over the course of the war. The IJN armor was inferior in many ways, both because of impurities(dirt mostly) and because of improper tempering/hardening procedures. In fact, the only time battleships slugged it out, without all the small fry in the way, was when Bismarck and the German cruiser Prinz Eugen confronted the British battleship Prince of Wales and the battlecruiser Hood in the Battle of the Denmark Strait. But it would only take a lucky hit or two to knock out a radar, and with those powerful 18.1-inch guns, a hit from Yamato’s main battery would hurt Iowa. But when it comes to damage control, America was far ahead of Japan and … 100% Upvoted. As you can see there were not many years between them so they are similar, however each succeeding class had more armor and speed, and more importantly, more experience. The USS Wisconsin was the fourth and final Iowa-class battleship completed. Yamato had a displacement one-third larger than Iowa, which should confer a larger ability to absorb damage. Nonetheless, Parshall gives a slight edge to Yamato here; if both ships suffered damage to their fire control systems and had to close the range, the invulnerability of Yamato’s turrets to Iowa’s shells could prove important. 6 comments. There was more than one test completed, and the other shots were with a reduced powder charge, to simulate different ranges, one of which was simulated at 30,000 yards. Battlewagons hurled big cannon shells at each other, not torpedoes, which is why battleships tended to be more heavily armored above the waterline. They were not in service during world war two. Iowa contre Yamato et Tirpitz 5 août 2019 51907 Dans les années 1930, les superpuissances navales faisaient souvent fi des traités internationaux destinés à limiter la course aux armements, et concevaient secrètement de nouveaux cuirassés inédits. As part of its quest for qualitative superiority, Japan trained its battleship crews in long-range shots to achieve such devastating underwater hits. Yep, Yamato would come on top in mano-a-mano confrontation. Which side takes it? Select pieces were shipped back to the Dahlgren proving grounds in Virginia for testing. [I][B]Without [/B][/I]carrier support; this is a test of the finest, and last big-gun battleships ever built on Earth. One other main problem of the Yamato vs Iowa: target size. hide. The easy answer is the Iowa-Class. IOWA vs YAMATO. and we already know how that played out. Thus, the Montana was limited to a speed of 28 knots like the North Carolina and South Dakota classes. (Recommended: Is it Time to Bring Back the Battleships?). Bismarck vs Yamato vs USS Iowa. So who would have won in a ship on ship engagement? 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